Comments for SHS Speak Up! Blog http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog Muses, ramblings and vents on the sexual harassment issue Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:53:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 Comment on What Needs to Happen by Sandra Mallie http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2008/02/28/what-needs-to-happen/#comment-3866 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:16:21 +0000 http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2008/02/28/what-needs-to-happen/#comment-3866 Some of the best lobbyist in our country are survivors turned advocates/lobbyist. Good luck. You can make a difference. Some of the best lobbyist in our country are survivors turned advocates/lobbyist. Good luck. You can make a difference.

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Comment on Stalking as a by-product of sexual harassment law by tiffanypritchard http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/02/06/stalking-result-sh-law/#comment-3729 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:53:36 +0000 http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/02/06/stalking-result-sh-law/#comment-3729 I learned the hard way that these perpetrators have a perfected con they run to carry out their agenda for sexual supply. They do use manipulation to gain your trust and often befriend their victims. Once they are found out and their tactics are exposed they then lash out by filing false charges on the victim using a fabricated explanation to try to discredit them. Like mention above, they will use copies of your correspondence after they have already persuaded you not to keep the information. It is all coercion. I actually got an apology from the man who set out to hurt me and my family right before he filed the documents against me anyway, contradicting his humble gesture. A nightmare through and through! I learned the hard way that these perpetrators have a perfected con they run to carry out their agenda for sexual supply.
They do use manipulation to gain your trust and often befriend their victims.
Once they are found out and their tactics are exposed they then lash out by filing false charges on the victim using a fabricated explanation to try to discredit them.
Like mention above, they will use copies of your correspondence after they have already persuaded you not to keep the information. It is all coercion.
I actually got an apology from the man who set out to hurt me and my family right before he filed the documents against me anyway, contradicting his humble gesture.
A nightmare through and through!

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Comment on Stalking as a by-product of sexual harassment law by Sasha Lazarios http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/02/06/stalking-result-sh-law/#comment-3537 Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:32:37 +0000 http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/02/06/stalking-result-sh-law/#comment-3537 Hi. I was stalked all last year by my ex-sex partner. We had met on a dating site; where he claimed he was single and lots of other not true things. He didn't even use his real photo. Well, when I found this out and we broke up (I still had and still do have feelings for him)he was crank calling me all long from a blocked phone to say nothing. I first tried to get help from the po'lice, they did nothing. He also was very abusive mentally and kept trying to get me to come over to his place. It turned out his plan was to frame me for what he was doing to me. Well, I found a policewoman thorugh a male friend with a multiracial daughter (I'm tri-racial and can pass for an uneasy white or anything else more easily, he was black) and she supeonaed the un-blocked numbers from the phone company. The police showed the unblocked records to his baby mama who walked them over to where he was at a bar committing slow suicide. I had proposed a deal of a probation with a tough but effective spelled out program to get his life together (one slip up and he goes to jail) and I have restraining orders on him that I can up vwhen then expire this May (they're six months long in PA) indefinitely if he doesn't. And for some strange reason I'm beating myself up a lot right now and I'm hurting like God knows what...I wrecked his home and destroyed his baby mama's deluded fantasties and his son's life and I wonder if I'll ever love again...I'm 31 years old and never concieved any children and I'm scared nobody will even be there to bury me... Hi. I was stalked all last year by my ex-sex partner. We had met on a dating site; where he claimed he was single and lots of other not true things. He didn’t even use his real photo. Well, when I found this out and we broke up (I still had and still do have feelings for him)he was crank calling me all long from a blocked phone to say nothing. I first tried to get help from the po’lice, they did nothing. He also was very abusive mentally and kept trying to get me to come over to his place. It turned out his plan was to frame me for what he was doing to me. Well, I found a policewoman thorugh a male friend with a multiracial daughter (I’m tri-racial and can pass for an uneasy white or anything else more easily, he was black) and she supeonaed the un-blocked numbers from the phone company. The police showed the unblocked records to his baby mama who walked them over to where he was at a bar committing slow suicide. I had proposed a deal of a probation with a tough but effective spelled out program to get his life together (one slip up and he goes to jail) and I have restraining orders on him that I can up vwhen then expire this May (they’re six months long in PA) indefinitely if he doesn’t. And for some strange reason I’m beating myself up a lot right now and I’m hurting like God knows what…I wrecked his home and destroyed his baby mama’s deluded fantasties and his son’s life and I wonder if I’ll ever love again…I’m 31 years old and never concieved any children and I’m scared nobody will even be there to bury me…

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Comment on Revisiting “North Country” by jess anders http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2006/10/16/revisiting-north-country-3/#comment-3276 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:40:49 +0000 http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2006/10/16/revisiting-north-country-3/#comment-3276 There are actually issues of sexual exploitation of women that become complex in the facts and the abuser, stalker, exploiter, rapist, after being found out or exposed will then retaliate out of revenge and file harassment charges on the victim in a attempt to discredit her and further stalk her through the legal system. It is time for the judicial system to become more aware of this manipulation of legalities. More women need to heed this warning and take a stand against the narcissists in our society. You can't always prove your victimization because you may have been under their influence and control, that is why it is very important that the victim awareness groups are educated on coercion and conditioning process used to violate their vulnerabilities. Online predators use these tactics, and furthermore, a perpetrator could be someone you have known or your family has known for years. There are actually issues of sexual exploitation of women that become complex in the facts and the abuser, stalker, exploiter, rapist, after being found out or exposed will then retaliate out of revenge and file harassment charges on the victim in a attempt to discredit her and further stalk her through the legal system. It is time for the judicial system to become more aware of this manipulation of legalities.
More women need to heed this warning and take a stand against the narcissists in our society. You can’t always prove your victimization because you may have been under their influence and control, that is why it is very important that the victim awareness groups are educated on coercion and conditioning process used to violate their vulnerabilities.
Online predators use these tactics, and furthermore, a perpetrator could be someone you have known or your family has known for years.

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Comment on Not really as extreme as is sounds: murder plot in retaliation for sexual harassment complaint by norma http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2006/12/04/not-really-as-extreme-as-is-sounds-murder-plot-in-retaliation-for-sexual-harassment-complaint/#comment-1691 Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:13:48 +0000 http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2006/12/04/not-really-as-extreme-as-is-sounds-murder-plot-in-retaliation-for-sexual-harassment-complaint/#comment-1691 I spoke against a man that sexually harressed a colleague. In the intirm I have been shown and bullied at work. He has left serveral text messages threatening me and I have also been set-up by my manager now to go to hr. I was humilatiated and asked questions about what I people are saying I left the building and the person that was terminated by the company followed me. He is going to hurt me I know he is. The only person that new I was leaving the building when I did was my manager now and hr. Someone alerted him and he followed me out. I am afraid. I called HR and the understand but I don't think the can protect me from him outside of the company. What do you recommend. I live in texas and this is an at will state. So if my employer wanted to they could terminate my employment without cause. I am literally afraid, Please advise. I spoke against a man that sexually harressed a colleague. In the intirm I have been shown and bullied at work. He has left serveral text messages threatening me and I have also been set-up by my manager now to go to hr. I was humilatiated and asked questions about what I people are saying I left the building and the person that was terminated by the company followed me. He is going to hurt me I know he is. The only person that new I was leaving the building when I did was my manager now and hr. Someone alerted him and he followed me out. I am afraid. I called HR and the understand but I don’t think the can protect me from him outside of the company. What do you recommend. I live in texas and this is an at will state. So if my employer wanted to they could terminate my employment without cause. I am literally afraid, Please advise.

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Comment on Don’t Foam at the Mouth by Ceara http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/02/17/dont-foam-at-the-mouth/#comment-1589 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:29 +0000 http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/02/17/dont-foam-at-the-mouth/#comment-1589 April, There is a difference between "reason" and "naval gazing," the latter being pretty self-indulgent and ego-centric.  Thinking through a problem hardly leads to vulnerability. No problems would ever be solved without reason. Also, the mild harassment that I wrote about is often a mistake, rather than done out of an intent to exploit or harm.  Indirect harassment is usually done out of habit.  Both are usually signs of ignorance.  It continually amazes me the degree that many "victims" lump all allegedly sexually harassing behavior into one always-done-intentionally-always-done-to-exploit-always-done-to-harm-me category.  <em>Mistakes</em> and <em>miscommunication</em> seem to be foreign concepts as much to them as they are to their "harassers," not to mention the concept of CONFLICT RESOLUTION. You are also mistaken if you think that a sexual harassment victim is always the one being bullied.  Sometimes sexual harassment is done in response to bullying.  This doesn't make it okay, but the situations can be much more complicated than you could possibly imagine. Ultimately, the position you hold involves black-and-white thinking, and many people approach sexual harassment in this way which really does not work at all in most situations.  Sexual harassment is "grey area," full of fuzziness, subjectivity, and misunderstanding.  Often, the tiniest of transgressions can be completely blown out of proportion by the very knee-jerk reactions you are endorsing, not just by the victim or the harasser, but by people only peripherally involved.  Indeed, most of the damage done in sexual harassment situations is the result of knee-jerk reactions, regardless of who is jerking their knee, and regardless of the direction of the jerk.  Also, I think you mistake "reaction" and "action."  The latter is always preferable and allows for problem solving and conflict resolution.  "Action" is empowering, while "reaction" is often destructive.  It's very interesting to me that so many have reacted so negatively when I espouse avoiding destructive reactions to <strong>mild or indirect harassment</strong>.  Saying "keep your head" is NOT the same thing as saying "don't confront the behavior."  I've repeatedly written, yes, DO confront the problem.  Just do so constructively and with an eye to conflict resolution. Frankly, that this way of thinking is so foreign to so many is as scary to me as the prevalence of extreme and long term sexual harassment.  And they are equally dangerous trends. Don't destroy the team because someone hurt your feelings.  No one will respect you for it in the end, and you won't really respect yourself, either, not in the long run. Still, if you truly believe that it's best to react first and reason later, even in the face of mild or indirect harassment, than you are exactly the type of "victim" I am talking about, and no further examples are necessary.  (Besides, as I wrote already, I cannot describe any more as this would be a violation of confidentiality.) April,

There is a difference between “reason” and “naval gazing,” the latter being pretty self-indulgent and ego-centric.  Thinking through a problem hardly leads to vulnerability. No problems would ever be solved without reason.

Also, the mild harassment that I wrote about is often a mistake, rather than done out of an intent to exploit or harm.  Indirect harassment is usually done out of habit.  Both are usually signs of ignorance. 

It continually amazes me the degree that many “victims” lump all allegedly sexually harassing behavior into one always-done-intentionally-always-done-to-exploit-always-done-to-harm-me category.  Mistakes and miscommunication seem to be foreign concepts as much to them as they are to their “harassers,” not to mention the concept of CONFLICT RESOLUTION.

You are also mistaken if you think that a sexual harassment victim is always the one being bullied.  Sometimes sexual harassment is done in response to bullying.  This doesn’t make it okay, but the situations can be much more complicated than you could possibly imagine.

Ultimately, the position you hold involves black-and-white thinking, and many people approach sexual harassment in this way which really does not work at all in most situations.  Sexual harassment is “grey area,” full of fuzziness, subjectivity, and misunderstanding.  Often, the tiniest of transgressions can be completely blown out of proportion by the very knee-jerk reactions you are endorsing, not just by the victim or the harasser, but by people only peripherally involved. 

Indeed, most of the damage done in sexual harassment situations is the result of knee-jerk reactions, regardless of who is jerking their knee, and regardless of the direction of the jerk. 

Also, I think you mistake “reaction” and “action.”  The latter is always preferable and allows for problem solving and conflict resolution.  “Action” is empowering, while “reaction” is often destructive. 

It’s very interesting to me that so many have reacted so negatively when I espouse avoiding destructive reactions to mild or indirect harassment.  Saying “keep your head” is NOT the same thing as saying “don’t confront the behavior.”  I’ve repeatedly written, yes, DO confront the problem.  Just do so constructively and with an eye to conflict resolution.

Frankly, that this way of thinking is so foreign to so many is as scary to me as the prevalence of extreme and long term sexual harassment.  And they are equally dangerous trends.

Don’t destroy the team because someone hurt your feelings.  No one will respect you for it in the end, and you won’t really respect yourself, either, not in the long run.

Still, if you truly believe that it’s best to react first and reason later, even in the face of mild or indirect harassment, than you are exactly the type of “victim” I am talking about, and no further examples are necessary.  (Besides, as I wrote already, I cannot describe any more as this would be a violation of confidentiality.)

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Comment on Don’t Foam at the Mouth by April http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/02/17/dont-foam-at-the-mouth/#comment-1564 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:15:28 +0000 http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/02/17/dont-foam-at-the-mouth/#comment-1564 Ceara, I know that I personally struggle a good deal with how to respond "proportionately" to instances of bullying, harassment and abuse. I appreciate the perspective that targets/victims ought not to abandon their compassion. But I would also be mindful that bulliers of all types are depending upon us as women to stay compassionate, even while they have abandoned theirs for the sake of self gratification. I'm not sure why you are so concerned about people who misuse sexual harassment if they are the minority you concede that they in fact are. You don't detail any specific episodes of overreacting that you have encountered. Your words come across as reactionary and antagonistic to any victim who may be contemplating coming forward. Would you be willing to sketch in more detail any of the instances you're alluding to? Maybe it would help others to understand your upset. I think that the literature that references the experience of victims as encountering flack for coming forward is accurate. I have definitely experienced this as I have tried to fight back. The very nature of abuse is that it will not be receptive to forms of resistance. I think it's better to err on the side of over-correcting for forms of harassment. Better that offenders expect a negative consequence to their behavior than victims question themselves (we're already doing this, as part of our experience of being harassed). I have been pursued by a co-worker for several months, resulting in my finally going to management this week. Predictably, my boss spoke to the offender before speaking to me, and reported that the offender had accused me of "threatening" him. Since this is the third time I have brought a formal complaint against someone at work for harassing treatment, I was subjected to a lecture about how I need to separate the "personal from the professional." The problem with Ceara's advice to use the harassment as an opportunity to question oneself is that we may lose precious opportunity to protect ourselves while we are navel-gazing. The perpetrator is not examining himself or his motivations at all. He is instead probing us for vulnerabilities. Self reflection is the pinnacle of vulnerability and doubt. I hesitated before taking decisive action because I felt flattered by my harasser's overtures. He did nothing overtly sexual or threatening, which is why I was confused for so long. Instead of being repulsed, I started to develop my own feelings of attraction, which I went so far as to express to him. Without being upfront about the nature of his own attraction (claiming that he was interested in a mere "friendship"), he persisted in wanting a (ostensibly platonic) relationship, even after I expressed my desire to end contact. In my case, my co-worker's contacts with me have all been by instant messenger, which is particularly disquieting for one who has never experienced it. I am fairly certain it meets the criteria for cyber-stalking, as he is so persistent, relies upon it exclusively, seems to wait until I log on everyday, and finally became hostile to me via text message when I persisted in setting boundaries. I am actually experiencing a great deal of pain over losing this "friendship," as damaging as I know it was, and would have continued to be. The one thing I will give Ceara is that my sense of low self esteem does initiate a reaction of anxiety whenever I am approached by a member of the opposite sex. So there are definitely things for me to look at. What seems important is that I discount the advice of my manager, and others who aren't well informed about harassment and stalking on the job. The Employee Assistant Counselor denied out of hand that I was experiencing stalking. She maintained that my coworker could be taken at his word when he professed a desire for mere friendship. Now I am in trouble for having discussed a previous sexual harassment investigation. I think it's better to react first, and question later. The worst that will happen is that even "mild" harassers will think twice. We want that. Trust me. Ceara,

I know that I personally struggle a good deal with how to respond “proportionately” to instances of bullying, harassment and abuse. I appreciate the perspective that targets/victims ought not to abandon their compassion. But I would also be mindful that bulliers of all types are depending upon us as women to stay compassionate, even while they have abandoned theirs for the sake of self gratification. I’m not sure why you are so concerned about people who misuse sexual harassment if they are the minority you concede that they in fact are. You don’t detail any specific episodes of overreacting that you have encountered. Your words come across as reactionary and antagonistic to any victim who may be contemplating coming forward. Would you be willing to sketch in more detail any of the instances you’re alluding to? Maybe it would help others to understand your upset.

I think that the literature that references the experience of victims as encountering flack for coming forward is accurate. I have definitely experienced this as I have tried to fight back. The very nature of abuse is that it will not be receptive to forms of resistance. I think it’s better to err on the side of over-correcting for forms of harassment. Better that offenders expect a negative consequence to their behavior than victims question themselves (we’re already doing this, as part of our experience of being harassed).

I have been pursued by a co-worker for several months, resulting in my finally going to management this week. Predictably, my boss spoke to the offender before speaking to me, and reported that the offender had accused me of “threatening” him. Since this is the third time I have brought a formal complaint against someone at work for harassing treatment, I was subjected to a lecture about how I need to separate the “personal from the professional.”

The problem with Ceara’s advice to use the harassment as an opportunity to question oneself is that we may lose precious opportunity to protect ourselves while we are navel-gazing. The perpetrator is not examining himself or his motivations at all. He is instead probing us for vulnerabilities. Self reflection is the pinnacle of vulnerability and doubt.

I hesitated before taking decisive action because I felt flattered by my harasser’s overtures. He did nothing overtly sexual or threatening, which is why I was confused for so long. Instead of being repulsed, I started to develop my own feelings of attraction, which I went so far as to express to him. Without being upfront about the nature of his own attraction (claiming that he was interested in a mere “friendship”), he persisted in wanting a (ostensibly platonic) relationship, even after I expressed my desire to end contact. In my case, my co-worker’s contacts with me have all been by instant messenger, which is particularly disquieting for one who has never experienced it. I am fairly certain it meets the criteria for cyber-stalking, as he is so persistent, relies upon it exclusively, seems to wait until I log on everyday, and finally became hostile to me via text message when I persisted in setting boundaries.

I am actually experiencing a great deal of pain over losing this “friendship,” as damaging as I know it was, and would have continued to be. The one thing I will give Ceara is that my sense of low self esteem does initiate a reaction of anxiety whenever I am approached by a member of the opposite sex. So there are definitely things for me to look at. What seems important is that I discount the advice of my manager, and others who aren’t well informed about harassment and stalking on the job. The Employee Assistant Counselor denied out of hand that I was experiencing stalking. She maintained that my coworker could be taken at his word when he professed a desire for mere friendship. Now I am in trouble for having discussed a previous sexual harassment investigation.

I think it’s better to react first, and question later. The worst that will happen is that even “mild” harassers will think twice. We want that. Trust me.

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Comment on You’ve Got To Be Kidding Me by LacuneRainChild http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/03/01/youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-1035 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:29:32 +0000 http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/03/01/youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-1035 I just noticed that the link for the four year old that was suspended is directing to the story of the five year old. :S I just noticed that the link for the four year old that was suspended is directing to the story of the five year old. :S

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Comment on You’ve Got To Be Kidding Me by Sicily http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/03/01/youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-853 Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:48:16 +0000 http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/03/01/youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-853 I just posted about the sexual harassment issue on my blog. I am a rape victim who recently returned to work and has now been sujected to sexual harassment. I have also experienced a poor reaction from HR... who sympathized with him. UGH! I just posted about the sexual harassment issue on my blog. I am a rape victim who recently returned to work and has now been sujected to sexual harassment. I have also experienced a poor reaction from HR… who sympathized with him. UGH!

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Comment on Don’t Foam at the Mouth by Ceara http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/02/17/dont-foam-at-the-mouth/#comment-667 Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:10:15 +0000 http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/blog/2007/02/17/dont-foam-at-the-mouth/#comment-667 Regarding approval of further comments to this article: I keep getting comments from people angry about the article.  However, their comments illustrate they have not really read it as their complaints attack the article as being a general criticism of negative feelings and reactions to sexual harassment, which is NOT the topic of the article.  I mean, give me a break.  If that was how I felt, SHS would never have been formed in the first place! The article is specifically a criticism of <strong>destructive responses to mild and/or indirect sexual harassment</strong>.  Please note that one of the goals of SHS is to encourage constructive solutions to sexual harassment whenever possible, such as using "conflict resolution" strategies, or mediation.  (See our <a href="http://www.sexualharassmentsupport.org/AboutSHS.html" target="_blank">About Us</a> page on the main site.)  I welcome comments on the article as long as they focus on the topic as written. If you make a comment, and it does not get approved, then it probably did not focus on the topic.  Thanks! Regarding approval of further comments to this article: I keep getting comments from people angry about the article.  However, their comments illustrate they have not really read it as their complaints attack the article as being a general criticism of negative feelings and reactions to sexual harassment, which is NOT the topic of the article. 

I mean, give me a break.  If that was how I felt, SHS would never have been formed in the first place!

The article is specifically a criticism of destructive responses to mild and/or indirect sexual harassment

Please note that one of the goals of SHS is to encourage constructive solutions to sexual harassment whenever possible, such as using “conflict resolution” strategies, or mediation.  (See our About Us page on the main site.) 

I welcome comments on the article as long as they focus on the topic as written. If you make a comment, and it does not get approved, then it probably did not focus on the topic. 

Thanks!

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